Feb 8, 2010

Dr. D's Guide To Getting Worked-Up

The last few weeks Doctor D answered questions about work-ups that don't find answers and the proper work-up from a doctor's perspective. All that theoretical stuff is useful but Doctor D figured he'd hook you up with some practical tips:
So you go to your doctor with a problem. You tell the doctor your symptoms, and after examining you the doc shrugs and says, "To really figure out what's making you feel bad we might need to run some tests."
Here's how to handle this...
  • Take part in the decisions being made. Even if your doctor is awesome it is your body on the line.
  • Ask about the risks vs. benefits of each test done.
  • A useful question: "Is this test necessary?" If your doc is quick with a "Yes" or "No" then probably the evidence if overwhelming in favor of following the doc's suggestion, but often the answer is "maybe" and in these situations you want to understand the situation so your values can influence the decision. (Unless you are with one of those docs that never ever says "maybe" or "I don't know" in which case you should really find another doctor)
  • Ask your MD how serious these symptoms typically are for your situation: What is the most likely cause of my symptoms? What is the worst case scenario? (Hint: death is sometimes going to be worst case, which makes the next question more important.) How likely is the worst case scenario? How do most people with these symptoms end up? Are these "red flag" symptoms that must be evaluated.
  • Ask your doctor about the risks of the work-up itself. Some things such as certain blood tests are very low risk, and other tests may be higher. Part of the risk is the test itself, but part of the risk is that aggressive things we often do to follow up on results that are sometimes false positives.
  • Realize that your doctor may not be able to give you hard numbers on the risks of particular work-ups. We are only just beginning to understand how high the risks are for very common tests like mammograms and PSAs we've done on millions of people. We just don't have great data on the exact danger of each work-up, but your MD should be able to give you an educated guess about the risks of a test or series of tests.
  • If a doctor ever tells you any test is "risk free" run the other way. While a lot of tests are very low risk, all of them have some. Even the most safe and simple test runs the risk of misleading false results that put your care in danger. A physician that isn't thinking about the risks they subject you to is someone you don't want guiding your care.
  • Ask your physician how each positive or negative result you get affects the overall picture: Do these results make a concerning disease more or less likely? Do they clarify or confuse the picture? How do these tests change our concern about of my symptoms?
  • Ask about the end-point: Every work-up either produces a diagnosis or a point at which it would be unwise to go on. Ask where that end-point is and what it means to not find an answer with this particular set of symptoms.
  • Ask how certain a diagnosis that results from your work-up is: Sometimes the test results give an answer with a high degree of certainty. Sometimes the results just point us in the right direction and we make an educated guess.
  • Inform your doctor how you feel about the illness and the work-up: Are you more pleased or more worried based on how the work up is going? How much do the symptoms bother you? How much do you need to know the answer? How much risk are you willing to take to get a diagnosis? Your values make a difference.
  • Ask your doctor if he or she needs backup. MDs don't want to let their patients down, so sometimes we act on top of things when we are really in over our heads. In a big work-up for concerning signs and symptoms there is often a point where calling a specialist is the right decision. Let your doctor know that you will still respect him/her if they call in help.
  • Remember: you have the right to a second opinion. Even two very good doctors will likely approach a work-up and its risks/benefits very differently. If you are worried about a work-up that yields no diagnosis then you should get the perspective of another physician. Remember that different approaches don't always reflect a difference in quality of physicians, so don't badmouth the doctor that didn't find the diagnosis.
  • Don't ask your doctor to do something he/she doesn't feel is safe. It is pretty rare for a doctor to bluntly say, "I don't think it is safe to continue." If a doctor says this, listen. For a doctor to go against the grain and stop a work-up he or she must be pretty worried about your safety. If you want to proceed go to another MD who is willing to do it for you. If you can't find any reputable MD willing to do something then that should clue you in that you might be at a wise stopping point for your search.
  • Remember: More tests are not always better. Less tests are not always better. What is better is you and your MD working together to create a reasonable and thorough work-up for you.
What do you think? A lot of healthcare people and patients read this blog--let me know if I missed any important tips. Have any of you ever used these strategies? How did they work? Doctor D loves to hear your thoughts in the comments.

On a side note: Doctor D will be taking a brief sabbatical from blogging for the 40 days of Lent, which means that next week is your last chance to get your question answered before Easter.

Feb 5, 2010

And The Winner Is... (Friday Links)

Forget about the Superbowl: the real clash of champions this week has concluded! Thanks to everyone who voted in The Big D Awards. The dust has settled and it's time to announce the winners!

The Big D for excellence in Nurse Blogging goes to...


Nurse Me is a critical care nurse blogger who used to be a bartender. Although it sounds like an advocacy blog for breastfed infants Nurse Me is, in fact, a very cool blog on nurses, patients, and healthcare in general. (Doctor D feels free to have some fun at the expense of her blog's name after what NurseMe said about At Your Cervix!) Doctor D is very new to Nurse Me, only having found her blog a week before nominating it for the Big D. Now she shall take her rightful place in the Ask An MD blogroll.

Nurse Me won the title of "most awesomest medblog in existence" with 57 out of the total 200 votes. The runners up were At Your Cervix and Call Bells Make Me Nervous.



Now for the Big D Award in Medical Student Blogging:

Wouldn't you know it those fiercely competitive medical students managed to tie for the Big D Award!

Several minutes after midnight when Doctor D dragged himself out of bed to certify the results he found that both Journey to MD and Asystole Is The Most Stable Rhythm were tied with 55 votes a piece! Okay you gunnersyou can both be the awesomest. You shall both be able to display your Big D Award and you both get a mug! Now back to studying!

The runner up is Old MD Girl.



The final contest was to see who could nominate the best nursing or med student blog that Doctor D didn't include, and alas in this quest everybody got a big FAIL.

Out of 17 comments there was only one nomination, and that was Asystole nominating a friend of hers. He's a medical student but he mostly blogs about other stuff like strange masks. Okay, whatever.

So Doctor D went out and found a totally cool new blog on his own: Scenic Drive!

It is the fascinating life of a Pediatric ICU nurse who is also applying to medical school. Her blog is the perfect addition to the links today. Now she's in the nursing links but hopefully soon she'll be moving to the med student links. Go check her out. Who knows? You may end up voting Scenic Drive for the 2011 Big D Award.

Congratulations to all the nominees and winners! The prizes are in the mail! (or will be a soon as the winners send Doctor D their addresses)
Doctor D had lots of fun with these awards! We'll have to do them again soon. Which blogging category should we vote on next?

Feb 3, 2010

What Is A Proper Work Up?

Doctor D's post on Mystery Illnesses last week was pretty controversial. Some readers were concerned that D suggested we should sometimes give up looking for answers after a thorough work-up is negative. An intelligent reader remarked that Doctor D over-simplified because he didn't define what a thorough work up is. Excellent point:
What is a proper work-up?
Of course it's tricky to define because a good work-up varies significantly depending on the patient, the symptoms, and the situation. It would be tedious to go into the details of any specific work-up. Instead D will give you a simple answer:

The correct work-up is an investigation of your symptoms that is more likely to benefit you than harm you.

Work-Ups Are Dangerous
Okay, let's take a moment to consider a well-known but poorly-understood fact: doctors hurt people. I'm not talking about just bad doctors here, I'm talking about good responsible doctors. Yes, I know the whole motto of our profession is "First, do no harm" but doctors have to be reminded of that because the tools of our trade are inherently dangerous.

Running tests on a person is not harmless. We stick you with needles. We zap you with radiation. We inject stuff into you. Then we find abnormalities that require more tests. Don't get me wrong, this type of thing is often helpful and even life-saving, but every time we start down this path we risk hurting you. Even perfectly correct work-ups carry real risks and harm real people.

We have worked very hard to decrease these risks. In some ways the medical work-up is a victim of its own success: we have decreased the risk so much that we begin to assume it's harmless. Health care does a lot more good than harm, so we forget about the harm all together.

You can safely carry a weapon if you respect the danger it presents, but you'll end up shooting yourself in the foot if we forget it's a weapon at all.

Doctor D has seen enough people hurt by medical care that he has a healthy respect for the danger he puts you in every time he orders a test or a medicine. Unfortunately, most patients have little or no concept of the dangers posed by health care. Even patients who distrust doctors trust our machines and laboratories.


Work-up FirstAsk Questions Later
When faced with illness there is a natural urge to do something! You feel rotten and you go to a doctor for a solution. You expect the doctor will do something, and if that doesn't work the doctor will do even more.

There is a very old medical term called, Benign Neglect. It means that if the symptoms are not likely dangerous and the best course of action is just to watch patiently without doing anything. Doctor D has never heard a physician younger than 70 use this term.

Today's doctors are men (and women) of action. We have the tenancy to work up everything just because we can—because we are scientists and want to get to the bottom of things. Then the legal system reinforces this behavior. Doctors are frequently sued for not doing enough, but almost never sued for over-testing or over-treating although these things are also dangerous. We protect ourselves legally and keep our patients happy by ordering big work-ups for every symptom. More is always better!

Consequently US healthcare is the most expensive in the world, and Americans get more tests and scans than anyone else, but we aren't any healthier or live any longer. In fact, the opposite is true. We forget that healthcare should be used with caution.

The Proper Work-Up
Diagnosis is the heart of medicine. You come to Doctor D sick and he will do his best to give you a good answer. Keeping you safe, however, is more important than giving you answers, and no doctor should forget that our first duty is to "do no harm."

Seeing a doctor about your symptoms is like hiring a trigger-happy bodyguard. It might be worth it if you're life is threatened, but if you life in a safe neighborhood the jumpy security might be more likely to accidentally shoot you than save you.

Before your doctor goes nuts with a big work up you may want to ask, "Do you think these symptoms represent a dangerous disease or is it safer to ignore them?" Some symptoms need the big work-up and some need nothing at all.

If you come to me with an uncomfortable runny nose and low grade fever for a couple days you probably won't get any more work-up than a careful physical exam. If I don't find a problem I'll say "It's probably a virus" and advise you to ignore it. I could order a CT scan of your head, but that radiation that is more likely to harm you than provide any useful answers.

If you come to Doctor D with "red flag" symptoms like significant unexplained weight loss he'll probably keep testing until he finds an answerbut not every situation:

Doctor D once had a 97 year old that came to him with unexplained weight loss and weakness. Doctor D said, "This could be a lot of things, many of which are serious, but at your age aggressively finding and treating the serious ones are more likely to cause you pain than prolong your life. My advice is a few basic blood tests to rule out things that would be easy to treat. If that doesn't show anything then let's just treat the symptom with high-calorie shakes." The patient agreed and we did a tiny work-up that gave no answers. We treated the symptoms and he lived comfortably for several more years before dying in his sleep. I have no idea what finally killed him, and I really don't mind not knowing.

You Are The Boss
The harms or benefits of a work-up can extend beyond just the physical effects. Many comments on the last post mentioned the amount of personal reassurance people felt upon finding out the name of an illness. Personal values and perspectives on disease, diagnosis, and medical care vary drastically between people. Some hate the anxiety and discomfort of a work-up far more than their illness alone. Some hate the uncertainty of not knowing their disease and will undergo any painful or risk test just to find an answer.

Your work-up is a personal thing being done to your body and it should reflect your values.

Your body is yours and your doctor works on it for you. You are supposedly directing the care. Unfortunately, you don't always get to exercise your authority in the situation because your doctor is usually responding to what he or she guesses you want. First your doctor comes up with a large work-up because they assume you want it. Who wouldn't want lots of tests, right? If by chance the work up is inconclusive your doctor (or doctors) decide you must want it stopped, because further testing is risky without offering a lot of expected benefit (since most scary diagnoses have already been ruled out). Then if you say you want to keep going with the work-up the doctor suspects you are neurotic since you are acting against your own best interest.

A thorough work-up is complex, but your busy doctor may not take the time to discuss it. But the good news is you are in charge and don't even know it.

It is important for you to take charge of your work-up. Tell your doctor your values. Say what you want from your work-up. Ask about the risks and the benefits of tests. Remember the doctor is a dangerous ally, and communication is the safest way to take control of your healthcare.

What do you think? Do you think much about the risk of medical testing? Does your physician ever discuss risks of work-up? How would do you think your personal values would affect your approach to a work-up? Doctor D loves hearing your stories and thoughts in the comments.

Jan 29, 2010

The Big D Awards! (Friday Links)

So last post Doctor D examined the ways The Man is always trying to hold us decent bloggers down. With all the great blogs by medical students and nurses they got no love from The Man over at Medgadget.


With all the thankless hard work med students and nurses do the least we could do is recognize their blogs! So Doctor D decided to stick it to The Man, and declare his own Medblog Awards!

So one lucky Nurse Blogger and Med Student Blogger shall be declared "the most awesomest medblog in existence" and receive the coveted Big D Award:

The Big D Award


The nominees for The Big D in NurseBlogging:




The nominees for The Big D in Med Student Blogging:




Enjoy discovering the odd worlds of nursing and medical school! Bloggers, rally your readers and send them to vote you to victory!

The winner in each category gets the honor of a Big D Award and a free Supratentorial Mug direct from Doctor D.
Doctor D nominated the good nurse and med student blogs he knows, but the blogsphere is a big place there are probably other frickin' awesome nurse and med student bloggers out there. Nominate your favorite nurse or med student blog that Doctor D missed in the nominees. Shameless self-promotion is allowed! (as long as it isn't spam)

D's favorite new blog will get a link, and the reader who nominated it will also get a Supratentorial Mug!
The winners will be announced next Friday. Have Fun!

Jan 27, 2010

It Was Fun While It Lasted

Today is a sad day here at AskAnMD.


Doctor D was really excited about this new blog getting nominated for "Best Medical Weblog of 2009." Doctor D was doing his victory dance and playing "Eye of the Tiger" so loud the neighbors complained because he was totally gonna win that sucka.

Alas The Man over at Medgadget didn't think Doctor D's blog should be in the finals, thus all the AskAnMD fans that couldn't wait to vote it to victory were disenfranchised. Doctor D suspects The Man is dabbling in politics again since a lot of the finalist blogs in this category look like they were written by corporations or medical schools and are about as interesting as watching paint dry.

But never fear! The Man didn't totally succeed in exterminating personality in medblogging. Our dear friend Doctor Rob from Distractable Mind slipped into the finals!

So mosey on over there and vote for Dr. Rob early and often!

Is Doctor D encouraging you to vote more than once? Naw, you must have misunderstood that.

While you are over there be sure to support the beautiful work being done by WordDoc at Medical Moments in 55 Words for Best Literary Medical Weblog.

The real competition this year comes in Best Patient's Blog. Three of Doctor D's total favorites made the list: Queen of Optimism, ∞ itis, and RheumaBlog. Doctor D is so torn, because all those blogs are excellent! I might just have to vote for all of them.

Would Doctor D vote more than once? Of course not! You guys are totally misunderstanding me.

Have fun voting!

By the way, did you notice that Medgadged totally ignored medblogging nurses? WTF? Why is The Man always trying to hold the RNs down? Medical students too!

That's it! Doctor D has to set this right:
Tune in to this week's Friday Links to Vote for Doctor D's totally unofficial NurseBlog of the Year and MedStudentBlog of the Year awards!
Feel free to say sweet and comforting things in the comments to console Doctor D in his time of sorrow. Or you can just tell him to get over it and be a man, because its just some stupid contest and he isn't 8 years old!

Jan 25, 2010

Mystery Diseases (Diagnosing the Undiagnosable)

Lots of emails to Doctor D ask:

Why hasn't anyone figured out what's wrong with me?
This a common sentiment of patients whose doctors have yet to find a reason why they feel miserable. Patients with mystery symptoms tend to get lots of tests and shuffled to lots of specialists. More people than you might think are in this limbo of an illness without a diagnosis.

This is frustrating for everyone. Patients get irritated with their doctors: "If I just had a smart doctor like the ones on TV I would have been diagnosed by now." Doctors, who like having answers and hate looking foolish, get frustrated with patients and wonder if the weird symptoms are all in your head. We need to all take a collective deep breath.

We all want uncover the mystery diagnosis, but we have to acknowledge an unfortunate possibility:

We sometimes won't find a diagnosis.

There are diseases that are very common and ones that are very uncommon. It also stands to reason that there are diseases that may be so uncommon as to not yet be discovered. Some diseases may be so uncommon as to affect only one human being, which could be you. If this is the case you could never find a “diagnosis” per say, because a diagnosis groups you with other people with the same disease.

There is a point at which we say, "We've done a thorough work-up and found nothing. You may have to live with this." Doctor D hates saying this as much as any doctor, but at sometimes it needs to be said.

What is a disease?
Literally disease means dis-(without) ease. If you are visiting doctors because you have miserable symptoms you already know your body is without ease. You don’t need a multi-sylable medical term attached to your suffering to know that you suffer.

When doctors diagnose diseases, we look for particular patterns of symptoms and physical findings that are specific to known illnesses. It feels great for everyone when Doctor D can say with confidence, "You have _____."

But naming your disease doesn't cure anything. Having a diagnosis is useful because we can look at research from others who have had the same disease to know what treatments work and how we can expect the illness to progress. The rarer the disease the less other patients we have to get useful info from. We can just name your disease symptoms after you (John Doe Syndrome). It might feel satisfying to give it a name but it really doesn't help us make you feel better.

The Good News About Mystery Illnesses
People with mysterious symptoms get a lot of tests. A competent work-up has likely proven you don't have certain dangerous diseases. Doctor D has yet to see a patient with a mystery illness after a good work-up die. (I'm not saying it never happens, but it is exceedingly rare.)

Why? Even though the number of conditions that can cause discomfort are limitless, the mechanisms that can cause your heart to stop are fewer and generally well-known. Your large work-up has probably excluded most of the mechanisms that lead to premature death. A negative work-up can be a good thing.

Doctor D has often reassured frustrated patients about negative studies, "Trust me, you don't want the disease I was looking for."

The other good news: We don't always need a diagnosis to treat your symptoms.

Treatments do two things: postpone death and/or decrease suffering. A thorough work-up makes impending death unlikely, so we are left with easing the suffering. Doctors often treat symptoms even without knowing the underlying disease process. Whatever helps your symptoms and isn’t dangerous is a good treatmentwhether it be Tylenol, or nice sunset, or an off-label use of a medicine.

Shifting Perspective
It can be liberating to realize that finding a diagnosis is not the be all end all. Lots of patients with mysterious symptoms get run through a gauntlet of tests and doctors and often feel pressure to advance to more uncomfortable and even dangerous testing to find an answer. Doctor D has actually found that patients often find it comforting to not to "have to find an answer."

Sifting the aim of care from finding a diagnosis to learning how to treat and live with your symptoms doesn't mean that we've given up. It just acknowledges that the ultimate goal is not diagnosing diseases, but helping you find ease and comfort.
What do you think? Do you have a mystery illness? Are you a doctor who works up patients with mystery illnesses? What do you think about acknowledging not all diseases will be diagnosed? As always Doctor D loves to hear your stories and perspectives.
Click here to read follow up post: What Is A Proper Work-up?

Jan 22, 2010

Don't Forget Yet! (Friday Links)

In the comments on the last post Old MD Girl rightly pointed out: It is our job to care.


She's right.

Last week's Friday Links was dedicated to the humanitarian response after the earthquake in Haiti. That disaster awakened the sympathy and generosity of the world, but the news cycle moves on. Each day the updates on Port-au-Prince get shorter and shorter until in a week or two you won't hear any more at all. We might just assume everything is better. The fact is that our neighbor Haiti was a humanitarian disaster even before quake. "Port-au-Prince, on a good day, looks semi-destroyed."

It is our job to care, but we often forget.

So for this week's Friday Links I give you: Doctor John Carroll and his wife Maria.

Doctor Carroll is twice the physician I am. He is an ER doctor in Illinois who has been going to Haiti for 15 years and finding children with life threatening congenital heart conditions that he brings to the US for surgery. Johh and Maria have an organization named Haitian Hearts that it appears they run completely by themselves. They have saved thousands of lives. They were in Haiti before the quake and will be there after.

Doctor D once met John Carroll, long ago when D was a college student. John Carroll sat down with young D and spoke to him about caring for patients. He was the first doctor that D ever met that he wanted to be like. After meeting John Carroll, D went home and signed up for the MCAT.

Well, I'm a doctor now, but unfortunately I'm still nowhere near the kind of person that John Carroll is.

Finding John's blog Dying in Haiti and Maria's blog Live from Haiti has been a breath of fresh air for Doctor D. Sometimes I forget why I chose this profession. My caring gets worn out and jaded. The Carrolls are a constant reminder of medicine at it's best. The Carrolls' stories of their work and their patients are inspiring. John's bravery and his uncompromising stand for his patients just might be infectious.

Seriously, you should subscribe to these blogs. Don't forget those who are suffering, and for those of us that work in healthcare don't forget why we do this.
John Carroll is a real hero for Doctor D. I might not be an MD if it weren't for him. Do any of you other healthcare worker have heroes like this? I would love to hear about them in the comments.